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Spun the dude on in a sprint car.
Kid was 20.
kid gets out of car flipping Tony off.
Walks down track pointing at Stewart.
Stewart whacks him.
It looks at first glance Stewart turned into him and gassed it.
Oh shit.
But I think the kid moved down the track into TOny's way and Tony tried going high to avoid him...
what was that hotheaded kid thinking?
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crazy. was reading the comments. alot of people seem to think stewart wasnt at fault.


i kind of think he was.

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After watching the video I would say it looked intentional. I Don't think he meant to hit him, but it looked as if he wanted to scare him. He just didn't realize how close he was.

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Are you guys kidding me right now???? Who the fuck gets out of their car, stands in the roadway and starts pointing at muthafuckaz in traffic??? No fucking way am I blaming Tony. It looks to me like he came around the corner hot, and then seen the car and seen the dude and he probably panicked a bit, and rightfully so. But if the kid wasnt in the road, shit wouldnt have happened. Stay the fuck in your vehicle! You wanna pop him in the mouth, wait till after the race. This shit is unfortunate, but I dont even find it sad.

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I don't think anyone is fully blaming Tony...here anyway.
The kid made a massive and life ending mistake.
Stewart probably didn't realize this lesson would be to other fuckers that have done the same shit and to others thinking of the same action.....
TOny has gone crazy too a time or two throwing shit at cars going by....
The stupid part is that it is accepted and character drama in the TV and spectator world at the track
IT ain't WWE.


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both men could've done different to avoid the tragic accident.


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One driver who knows how those cars move said that every other driver knows that that type of car fish tails when you step on the gas hard. I'm sure Tony knew this as well since it isnt his first time driving one of those. He is a professional. He knew dam well stepping on the gas would cause that car to get close to the kid. I believe he did that intentional. Maybe it was to scare the kid. He probably didnt know he was gonna kid hit. I say arrest him for negligence.

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Or he could have been throttling before he even saw the kid. He's concentrating on the road, not looking for idiot drivers who leave their cars. He was basically coming around the corner and likely had no clue that the kid was there till he turned his head and saw him.

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Are you guys kidding me right now???? Who the fuck gets out of their car, stands in the roadway and starts pointing at muthafuckaz in traffic??? No fucking way am I blaming Tony. It looks to me like he came around the corner hot, and then seen the car and seen the dude and he probably panicked a bit, and rightfully so. But if the kid wasnt in the road, shit wouldnt have happened. Stay the fuck in your vehicle! You wanna pop him in the mouth, wait till after the race. This shit is unfortunate, but I dont even find it sad.



This, this, motherfucking THIS!! Kid got out of his car. Plain and fucking simple. Stay in your car asshole.


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Or he could have been throttling before he even saw the kid. He's concentrating on the road, not looking for idiot drivers who leave their cars. He was basically coming around the corner and likely had no clue that the kid was there till he turned his head and saw him.

This is bullshit. Other drivers said they saw the kid on the track. Paul Kinney, who was also racing said he clearly saw Ward on the track and managed to dodge him.

" I seen Kevin clear as day, nobody else ran into him either"-Paul Kinney. He also noted he was close enough to see Wards face as he drove by.

The notion that a seasoned professional like Steward not seeing him on the track is retarded. This man has been in hundreds of races.

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Was the kid supposed to get out of his car? NO.


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Was the kid supposed to get out of his car? NO.



ya but one of the rules society has is you are not supposed to run someone over with your car.

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Was the kid supposed to get out of his car? NO.



ya but one of the rules society has is you are not supposed to run someone over with your car.


If a pedestrian was walking around in the highway, and in passing you hit them, you wouldnt be at fault.

This didnt happen at a stop sign, light, cross walk, or limited speed road. Hell it didnt even happen on a public road way.

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Was the kid supposed to get out of his car? NO.



ya but one of the rules society has is you are not supposed to run someone over with your car.


If a pedestrian was walking around in the highway, and in passing you hit them, you wouldnt be at fault.

This didnt happen at a stop sign, light, cross walk, or limited speed road. Hell it didnt even happen on a public road way.



if someone is walking in the middle of the highway and i can avoid them. i am going to try to avoid them.

sure you dont want to crash into another car in order to avoid someone.


but i also think there is some circumstantial evidence here.

1) tony stewart was the guy that crashed him so he did have a conflict with him. tthe drivers that were in front of stewart said they saw ward and managed not to run him over.

2) tony stewart has a history of some anger issues.

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Was the kid supposed to get out of his car? NO.



ya but one of the rules society has is you are not supposed to run someone over with your car.


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pretty much. I think its silly to definitively take a side either way at this point, but, the kid coming out of his car when he shouldn't have doesn't automatically absolve Stewart from any wrongdoing. We are trying to figure out whether Tony could've have easily avoided the kid but purposely didn't, or whether he absolutely under any circumstances could not have avoided him. The kids stupidity in being out of his car does not factor into any of that. I may be dumb for walking down a highway, but if someone goes out of their way to hit me they are guilty.


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The way i see it, if the kid did what he was supposed to do, he would be alive today.


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After watching the video I would say it looked intentional. I Don't think he meant to hit him, but it looked as if he wanted to scare him. He just didn't realize how close he was.

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The is a case of hot headed kid meets hotter headed man.
You can't prove intention really.
Analogies might be helpful.
LIke....

Kid grabs man with a gun and puts gun to head.
Man "accidently" pulls tigger.
Kid never thought man would pull trigger.
Show of bravado failed.
Man with gun now says I didn't pull the trigger...or mean to anyway (shruggs)

its a lose lose situation for everyone .

100% absolute rules should be....YOU DON"T GET OUT OF YOUR CAR UNTIL CREW ARRIVES.
unless its on fire of course.


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Was the kid supposed to get out of his car? NO.



ya but one of the rules society has is you are not supposed to run someone over with your car.


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pretty much. I think its silly to definitively take a side either way at this point, but, the kid coming out of his car when he shouldn't have doesn't automatically absolve Stewart from any wrongdoing.


Very well said. The "well he asked for it" defense is fucking retarded. Dude got mowed down. Was it intentional? Who knows? I happen to think the fact that everyone else easily avoided him and the fact that Stewart had a gigantic lane to the left to avoid the dude but perhaps the best driver in the world somehow didn't see this guy and the huge lane to avoid him is a pretty obvious reason for concern.

A pretty obvious reason to investigate the criminality of it.

"He shouldn't have gotten out of his car, if he stayed in his car, the best driver in the world wouldn't have had to try and avoid him and he wouldn't have gotten killed."

Listen to yourself.


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The is a case of hot headed kid meets hotter headed man.
You can't prove intention really.
Analogies might be helpful.
LIke....

Kid grabs man with a gun and puts gun to head.
Man "accidently" pulls tigger.
Kid never thought man would pull trigger.


This is nothing like that.

I really shouldn't have to explain but I will. It was Car vs Person. You're somehow taking it to Car vs someone with a gun to his head. Listen to yourself.

We're talking about a person who jumped out on a track with literally 10 feet of leeway to the other side to yell at a car driving by. Stupid? Yes. Deserving of murder? Haha please dude. Every other car avoids person with ease. One car somehow does not avoid the person after many, many in front of him has and runs person over.

The car that runs him over just so happens to be perhaps the best driver on the planet.

"Well he shouldn't have jumped out." Doesn't quite cut it here.

Shit was murder. At the last, manslaughter.

Will we ever prove intent? No.

But to absolve him from responsibility is assassine.


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He should be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter.


Manslaughter in the Second Degree occurs when a person continues with a reckless act that they are aware of committing, and they consciously disregard the potentially fatal risks involved to others. The risk must be of the type that any reasonable person would not ignore. Although this crime lacks the intention to do others harm, there is within it the knowledge that the activity being engaged in could cause serious or fatal injury to others.

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He should be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter.


Manslaughter in the Second Degree occurs when a person continues with a reckless act that they are aware of committing, and they consciously disregard the potentially fatal risks involved to others. The risk must be of the type that any reasonable person would not ignore. Although this crime lacks the intention to do others harm, there is within it the knowledge that the activity being engaged in could cause serious or fatal injury to others.


It's hard to prove it lacked the intention to do harm, but if we give him the benefit of the doubt which is reasonable here I do agree AT THE VERY LEAST Stewart needs to be charged with this. Good post.


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Yea that mothafucka killed him. Kaos , joso, prime all pretty much laid it out. Stewart killed that dude purposely. He has a history and should be charged.

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