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Its crazy how many CLASS wrestlers WCW had and never knew wtf to do with them.

Eddie Guerrero
Chris Benoit
Booker T
Stunning Steve Austin
Chris Jericho

The list goes on...

I mean, Booker T and Eddie G are far and away the best black and latin wrestlers of all time. And if you talk about them athletically and in terms of product, you can make a case for top 20, even 10. But those WCW Boys and their fucking ineptitude...

Jermzhi » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:14 pm wrote:

you know your wrestling shit. an absolute true statement. they also had HHH and Mysterio among others. they fucked up Bret Hart. how is that even possible?? :rofl:

.....WCW shouldve smoked WWF. they did for a good while. bur damn, you right....

What WCW needed was better production value and more intense wrestling. WWE’s action was always faster, more intense and you felt it more.

i was watching Sting v Hogan from a '99 WCW PPV last night. Sting could perform. but it takes 2. It was a horrible match. Hogan was a terrible performer. irs why Austin never wanted to perform with him.

Austin_3:16 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:34 pm wrote:

Bret Hart the GOAT.

Owen would have been better.

ya trippin'. :lol:

Owen was really good. nowhere near Bret. and if he was he wouldve proven it. its not like he was in the company just a couple years. he went as high as his ability allowed. im not pumping him up any further on some sympathy shit. dont disrespect the game by saying Owen was better than Bret.

Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:32 am wrote:

ya trippin'. :lol:

The only thing Bret did better than Owen

1. Bret was better on the Mic

2. Bret sold moves better. His full speed run into turnbuckles was uniquely special.

Jermzhi » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:34 am wrote:

Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:32 am wrote:

ya trippin'. :lol:

The only thing Bret did better than Owen

1. Bret was better on the Mic

2. Bret sold moves better. His full speed run into turnbuckles was uniquely special.

nope. wrong wrong wrong. i mean yea he was better at 1 and 2. and pretty much everything else, except for that high flying shit and athletic ability as previously mentioned.

this sounds like more of your Canadian on popular Canadian hate. :lol:

whatever, Bret is the GOAT aint a fact its an opinion. Bret in the convo for GOAT is fact, and OWen>Bret is just a damn lie.

Author:	Austinholic_3:16 [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:01 pm ]
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this was the plan before Eddie tragically passed away. HBK went on to face Vince McMahon. WM 22. Guerrero-HBK wouldve been an all time classic. sucks to hear news like this after the fact.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:14 pm ]
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Its crazy how many CLASS wrestlers WCW had and never knew wtf to do with them. Eddie Guerrero Chris Benoit Booker T Stunning Steve Austin Chris Jericho The list goes on... I mean, Booker T and Eddie G are far and away the best black and latin wrestlers of all time. And if you talk about them athletically and in terms of product, you can make a case for top 20, even 10. But those WCW Boys and their fucking ineptitude...

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:19 pm ]
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I legit was dying with Eddies antics during his lie cheat steal run, when I saw this dude slap the ground with a chair to make the chair hit noise, then threw the chair to his opponent and threw himself on the ground for the ref to see it....it made my whole body weak from laughter.

Author:	Austinholic_3:16 [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:21 pm ]
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Jermzhi » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:14 pm wrote: Its crazy how many CLASS wrestlers WCW had and never knew wtf to do with them. Eddie Guerrero Chris Benoit Booker T Stunning Steve Austin Chris Jericho The list goes on... I mean, Booker T and Eddie G are far and away the best black and latin wrestlers of all time. And if you talk about them athletically and in terms of product, you can make a case for top 20, even 10. But those WCW Boys and their fucking ineptitude... you know your wrestling shit. an absolute true statement. they also had HHH and Mysterio among others. they fucked up Bret Hart. how is that even possible?? .....WCW shouldve smoked WWF. they did for a good while. bur damn, you right....

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:22 pm ]
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Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:24 pm ]
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Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:21 pm wrote: Jermzhi » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:14 pm wrote: Its crazy how many CLASS wrestlers WCW had and never knew wtf to do with them. Eddie Guerrero Chris Benoit Booker T Stunning Steve Austin Chris Jericho The list goes on... I mean, Booker T and Eddie G are far and away the best black and latin wrestlers of all time. And if you talk about them athletically and in terms of product, you can make a case for top 20, even 10. But those WCW Boys and their fucking ineptitude... you know your wrestling shit. an absolute true statement. they also had HHH and Mysterio among others. they fucked up Bret Hart. how is that even possible?? .....WCW shouldve smoked WWF. they did for a good while. bur damn, you right.... Ya they had John Paul Levesque lol, they also had Taker before he was Taker. Fucking future legends, and they couldnt do a fucking thing.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:26 pm ]
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Nobody can tell me my business about Steve Austin either, I used to tune in to watch him when he was running as the TV champ, dude was must see even back then, and they couldnt even pick up on the fact that dude could have been a star if done right. When he showed up as the Ring master, I told everyone he would pop. But even I didnt know he would pop the way he did.

Author:	Icecold323 [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:47 pm ]
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By the time Eddie became a big star i was off of wrestling. Good for Eddie tho. When i watxhed it was him and chavo just contending. I was a fan of WCW and recognized they had dope people like Sting and The Four Horsemen, Vader. I would say some stars WCW did better with than WWF. I mean they took an old ass Hogan and Razor ramon and them and started a movement. And Vader was a much bigger deal in the WCW, and I would say Flair was well. What WCW needed was better production value and more intense wrestling. WWE’s action was always faster, more intense and you felt it more.

Author:	Austinholic_3:16 [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:15 pm ]
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Icecold323 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:47 pm wrote: What WCW needed was better production value and more intense wrestling. WWE’s action was always faster, more intense and you felt it more. very true. WWF was ultimately stronger behind the scenes, creatively, thats where they won the war. WCW had all the best talent as Jermz pointed out. but no vision.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:30 pm ]
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Austin_3:16 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:17 pm wrote: i was watching Sting v Hogan from a '99 WCW PPV last night. Sting could perform. but it takes 2. It was a horrible match. Hogan was a terrible performer. irs why Austin never wanted to perform with him. Hogans style and performance hinged largely on his audience being fucking children. The reason why as an old wrestler he still had head, was because that same young generation who were kids became teens and adults and were nostalgic as fuck. He was always a terrible performer. Easily the biggest smoke and mirror wrestler of all time. I dont know one single hogan match that I look back on and say wow. Except maybe him against warrior, and him against rock. And the rock for all the hating I do on him, could make a match against a paper bag look amazing.

Author:	rj [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:10 pm ]
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NWO Hogan was even worse of performer. Hilarious though. WCW did use their own cast better. Sid Vicious, Lex Luger, Ric Flair, The Giant, Vader, Sting, Goldberg, etc. They just pushed the older fighters more and had so many more wrestlers. Just the same as ECW and how they used Raven, RVD, Saturn, Taz and the Dudley Brothers better

Author:	Austinholic_3:16 [ Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:34 pm ]
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Bret Hart the GOAT.

Author:	E907777 [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:42 am ]
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Austin_3:16 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:34 pm wrote: Bret Hart the GOAT. Owen would have been better.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:11 am ]
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E907777 wrote: Austin_3:16 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:34 pm wrote: Bret Hart the GOAT. Owen would have been better. I think so. All the same ability if not more, and less ego.

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Author:	E907777 [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:21 am ]
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I think his technical ability surpassed Brett. No question his athleticism was better. Can you imagine matches with him and Guerrero, Benoit, etc?

Author:	Austinholic_3:16 [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:32 am ]
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ya trippin'. Owen was really good. nowhere near Bret. and if he was he wouldve proven it. its not like he was in the company just a couple years. he went as high as his ability allowed. im not pumping him up any further on some sympathy shit. dont disrespect the game by saying Owen was better than Bret.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:34 am ]
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Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:32 am wrote: ya trippin'. Owen was really good. nowhere near Bret. and if he was he wouldve proven it. its not like he was in the company just a couple years. he went as high as his ability allowed. im not pumping him up any further on some sympathy shit. dont disrespect the game by saying Owen was better than Bret. The only thing Bret did better than Owen 1. Bret was better on the Mic 2. Bret sold moves better. His full speed run into turnbuckles was uniquely special.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:42 am ]
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Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:40 am wrote: Jermzhi » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:34 am wrote: Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:32 am wrote: ya trippin'. Owen was really good. nowhere near Bret. and if he was he wouldve proven it. its not like he was in the company just a couple years. he went as high as his ability allowed. im not pumping him up any further on some sympathy shit. dont disrespect the game by saying Owen was better than Bret. The only thing Bret did better than Owen 1. Bret was better on the Mic 2. Bret sold moves better. His full speed run into turnbuckles was uniquely special. nope. wrong wrong wrong. i mean yea he was better at 1 and 2. and pretty much everything else, except for that high flying shit and athletic ability as previously mentioned. Bret aint the GOAT anyway.

Author:	Jermzhi [ Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:02 am ]
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Austin_3:16 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:46 am wrote: this sounds like more of your Canadian on popular Canadian hate. whatever, Bret is the GOAT aint a fact its an opinion. Bret in the convo for GOAT is fact, and OWen>Bret is just a damn lie. Well you're talking out of both sides of your drunken mouth now one opinion....you just say that because u a dick rider, the next, you just say that because you hate him because he's canadian and then add popular as some kind of qualifier. You probably got Hitman posters on the walll and your very own pink and black tights! he aint no goat, and that's all it is!